Comments on: Toronto becoming a surveillance society http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/ Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:44:48 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Toronto neighbourhoods http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/comment-page-1/#comment-30094 Toronto neighbourhoods Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:34:32 +0000 http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/#comment-30094 You are right, Guinevere: we should not expect privacy when on the street. But if you are not a criminal, an exhibitionist, a pickpocket, a streaker or dunno what, you should not be afraid of cameras watching you. Even if there are unknown people in front of those monitors. They can't see you in such a detail as your fellow pedestrians can. And, Jonathan: if your wallet was recovered and returned to you because a security camera capturing the incident, you would surely change your mind and endorse the "surveillance society" that our beloved <a href="http://juliekinnear.com/toronto-neighbourhoods" rel="nofollow">Toronto neighbourhoods</a> seem to be turning into. You are right, Guinevere: we should not expect privacy when on the street. But if you are not a criminal, an exhibitionist, a pickpocket, a streaker or dunno what, you should not be afraid of cameras watching you. Even if there are unknown people in front of those monitors.
They can’t see you in such a detail as your fellow pedestrians can.
And, Jonathan: if your wallet was recovered and returned to you because a security camera capturing the incident, you would surely change your mind and endorse the “surveillance society” that our beloved Toronto neighbourhoods seem to be turning into.

]]> By: Guinevere http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/comment-page-1/#comment-26234 Guinevere Sun, 28 Oct 2007 17:08:39 +0000 http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/#comment-26234 I don't have any expectation of privacy when I'm out in public. I would care if they had cameras aimed at my apartment window, but out in the street? Don't care. I don’t have any expectation of privacy when I’m out in public. I would care if they had cameras aimed at my apartment window, but out in the street? Don’t care.

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/comment-page-1/#comment-25464 Jonathan Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:16:55 +0000 http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/#comment-25464 Look how they are manufacturing consent in the media: “Video surveillance of the first attack was crucial to helping police nab the suspect, as someone recognized the individual and called them” (<a herf="http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_16049.aspx" rel="nofollow">source</a>). Nice, nice. Let’s all embrace our surveillance overlords :D Look how they are manufacturing consent in the media: “Video surveillance of the first attack was crucial to helping police nab the suspect, as someone recognized the individual and called them” (source). Nice, nice. Let’s all embrace our surveillance overlords :D

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/comment-page-1/#comment-25158 Jonathan Mon, 22 Oct 2007 19:15:39 +0000 http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/#comment-25158 From the news today, another example of why people want the cameras: <a href="http://www.citynews.ca/news/news_15984.aspx" rel="nofollow">"Victim Gunned Down Outside Jail Was Charged During Jane Creba Shooting"</a> From the news today, another example of why people want the cameras: “Victim Gunned Down Outside Jail Was Charged During Jane Creba Shooting”

]]> By: Jonathan http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/comment-page-1/#comment-25113 Jonathan Mon, 22 Oct 2007 13:18:29 +0000 http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/#comment-25113 Yah, true. But somehow, it doesn't worry me until they are all networked together into a massive system put in place by the lowest bidder ;) For example, they couldn't track me walking to work from one separate security camera to the next. But if the police cameras (or the TTC cameras) are all connected into one system, they can watch me the whole way. Hurrah! Yah, true. But somehow, it doesn’t worry me until they are all networked together into a massive system put in place by the lowest bidder ;)

For example, they couldn’t track me walking to work from one separate security camera to the next. But if the police cameras (or the TTC cameras) are all connected into one system, they can watch me the whole way. Hurrah!

]]> By: Chris http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/comment-page-1/#comment-25060 Chris Mon, 22 Oct 2007 09:46:33 +0000 http://www.keebler.net/blog/2007/10/21/toronto-becoming-a-surveillance-society/#comment-25060 In your Spadina-as-edge scenario you're forgetting about all the private store security cameras you likely pass walking down King or Queen. Chances are you're on camera in one form or another most of the time you're downtown (even if it is just that creepy guy in the condo across the street with his telepho... nevermind). In your Spadina-as-edge scenario you’re forgetting about all the private store security cameras you likely pass walking down King or Queen. Chances are you’re on camera in one form or another most of the time you’re downtown (even if it is just that creepy guy in the condo across the street with his telepho… nevermind).

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